coal tar usato per contrastare la caduta

kris

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come da titolo ho scoperto che questo shampoo viene utilizzato come coadiuvante per la caduta dei capelli..

anche su wikipedia è indicato che è utilizzato per rallentare la caduta dei capelli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Gel


come detto da wikipedia il principio attivo dovrebbe essere il coal tar (non so se sia il nome inglese di qualche principio che gia conosciamo magari il piroctone olamine) e dovrebbe essere un anti dht come spiegato da qui

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-51547.html


molti utenti di forum stranieri lo utilizzano come sostituto del nizoral o addirittura in combinazione


http://www.latuabellezza.it/prodotto/703/NEUTROGENA-T/GEL-TOTAL.aspx si trova in farmacia..



ciao!

 

kris

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come da titolo ho scoperto che questo shampoo viene utilizzato come coadiuvante per la caduta dei capelli..

anche su wikipedia è indicato che è utilizzato per rallentare la caduta dei capelli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Gel


come detto da wikipedia il principio attivo dovrebbe essere il coal tar (non so se sia il nome inglese di qualche principio che gia conosciamo magari il piroctone olamine) e dovrebbe essere un anti dht come spiegato da qui

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-51547.html


molti utenti di forum stranieri lo utilizzano come sostituto del nizoral o addirittura in combinazione


http://www.latuabellezza.it/prodotto/703/NEUTROGENA-T/GEL-TOTAL.aspx si trova in farmacia..



ciao!

 

kris

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come da titolo ho scoperto che questo shampoo viene utilizzato come coadiuvante per la caduta dei capelli..

anche su wikipedia è indicato che è utilizzato per rallentare la caduta dei capelli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Gel


come detto da wikipedia il principio attivo dovrebbe essere il coal tar (non so se sia il nome inglese di qualche principio che gia conosciamo magari il piroctone olamine) e dovrebbe essere un anti dht come spiegato da qui

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-51547.html


molti utenti di forum stranieri lo utilizzano come sostituto del nizoral o addirittura in combinazione


http://www.latuabellezza.it/prodotto/703/NEUTROGENA-T/GEL-TOTAL.aspx si trova in farmacia..



ciao!

 

jacob

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Io avevo preso in considerazione questo tempo fa, visto che è presente il piroctone olamina.
http://www.saninforma.it/Sezione.jsp?idSezione=1262&idSezioneRif=396

Ma poi, visto che già utilizzo a giorni alterni il nizoral, ho lasciato predere ed ho optato per il restivoil complex, sempre con il piroctone olamina ma penso meno affressivo.

Qualcuno ha provato lo shampoo linkato da Kris?
Giusto per avere un idea della sua aggressività..

Ciao!
 

exterior

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Il t-gel antiforfara è un ottimo shampoo. fate attenzione al fatto che vi sono due versione, una normale e l'altra forte.
Quello normale è stato usato da me circa 3-4 anni fa. Lo considero un ottimo shampoo, mi sono trovato bene. Non escludo che in futuro lo userò di nuovo. Il forte so, per sentito dire, che è piuttosto aggressivo. Io andrei sul normale, che non è aggressivo ma ha un'azione lavante molto buona. Fa anche tanta schiuma.
 

kris

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si in farmacia..devi prendere neutrogena t gel versione normale

non quella forte perche dovrebbe essere troppo aggressiva..



ciao!
 

jacob

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Un pò di nomi di shampoo, balsami, condizionanti ed altro con il 'coal tar':

* Alphosyl
* Aquatar
* Balnetar Therapeutic Tar Bath
* Cutar Water Dispersible Emollient Tar
* Denorex Extra Strength Medicated Shampoo
* Denorex Extra Strength Medicated Shampoo with Conditioners
* Denorex Medicated Shampoo
* Denorex Medicated Shampoo and Conditioner
* Denorex Mountain Fresh Herbal Scent Medicated Shampoo
* DHS Tar Gel Shampoo
* DHS Tar Shampoo
* Doak Oil Forte Therapeutic Bath Treatment
* Doak Oil Therapeutic Bath Treatment For All-Over Body Care
* Doak Tar Lotion
* Doak Tar Shampoo
* Doctar Hair & Scalp Shampoo and Conditioner
* Doctar Shampoo
* Estar
* Fototar
* Ionil T Plus
* Lavatar
* Medotar
* Pentrax Anti-Dandruff Tar Shampoo
* Psorigel
* PsoriNail Topical Solution
* Taraphilic
* Tarbonis
* Tarpaste `Doak'
* T/Derm Tar Emollient
* Tegrin Lotion for Psoriasis
* Tegrin Medicated Cream Shampoo
* Tegrin Medicated Shampoo Concentrated Gel
* Tegrin Medicated Shampoo Extra Conditioning Formula
* Tegrin Medicated Shampoo Herbal Formula
* Tegrin Medicated Shampoo Original Formula
* Tegrin Medicated Soap for Psoriasis
* Tegrin Skin Cream for Psoriasis
* Tersa-Tar Soapless Tar Shampoo
* T/Gel Therapeutic Conditioner
* T/Gel Therapeutic Shampoo
* Theraplex T Shampoo
* Zetar Emulsion
* Zetar Medicated Antiseborrheic Shampoo
* Alphosyl
* Balnetar
* Denorex
* Doak Oil
* Doak Oil Forte
* Estar
* Lavatar
* Liquor Carbonis Detergens
* Pentrax Extra-Strength Therapeutic Tar Shampoo
* Psorigel
* Tar Doak
* Tarpaste
* Tersa-Tar Mild Therapeutic Shampoo with Protein and Conditioner
* Tersa-Tar Therapeutic Shampoo
* T-Gel
* Zetar Emulsion
* Zetar Shampoo

Sicuramente in giro c'è anche altro, ma io intanto ho trovato questo elenco.

Ciao!

P.S. Kris, potresti cambiare il titolo indicando il principio attivo? Grazie mille!
 

jacob

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Spiegazione del modo di agire del coal tar ed altro d'interessante:


“This present patent application pertains to the use of a coal tar formulation to help sustain the hair shaft's growth cycle in the anagen phase and assist in the formation of new shafts by inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone.”

Androgenic alopecia is evidenced by the shortening of the anagen or growth cycle of the hair shaft. In normal individuals the anagen stage can last up to five years. The second stage is called the catagen cycle and describes the period in which mitosis ceases. The final stage, known as telogen is a resting stage, lasting up to twelve weeks, when the hair is retained on the scalp while the new hair prepares itself to emerge and dislodge it from the root. In non-alopecia individuals, this ratio of anagen to telogen hairs averages 9:1. Scalps experiencing alopecia exhibit a gradual but steady decline in the anagen phase of hair growth to a point where only twice as many hairs are growing as are resting (2:1 ratio). Biochemically, the anagen phase is being inhibited by a change in the expression of hair protein which composes the shaft. This expression is directed by the DNA of the dermal papilla cells, which in turn, are governed by the hormonal signals which are enzymatically controlled at the binding sites of these cells.

The isolation of a causative factor in the hormonal imbalance which occurs in the balding scalp has led this investigator to pursue the theory that the conversion of the circulating androgen testosterone (T) and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA), which is secreted by the adrenal cortex, to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is the primary causative factor in destructive protein expression. Testosterone does not have a high affinity (or attraction) to the binding sites of cells in the sebaceous glands or dermal papilla regions. However, once it is converted to DHT this proclivity to attach or bind rises exponentially (20 to 50 times). In alopecia patients DHT signals the DNA to express, through RNA transcription, a hair protein (shaft) that is thinner, weaker and less capable of sustaining the anagen phase. With age and the repetition of this process, the hair shaft continues to weaken until it finally can no longer sustain pigment, visible growth or significant mass.

It is this investigator's finding that a specific co-enzyme present in coal tar serves to block the conversion of DHA and testosterone to DHT.

In vivo studies demonstrated that hair loss was significantly retarded with regular application of a coal tar formulation.

An initial comparative study of published findings on alopecia and review of coal tar applications for dermatological disease treatment revealed no explanation for the activity cited above to i.e., the inhibition of the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. However, the study of the co-enzymes required for this reaction, namely the interaction of 5a-reductase and NADP (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate) revealed a mechanism of action that would explain lower levels of DHT is patients regularly applying the coal tar solution. The conversion of testosterone to DHT is catalyzed by 5a-reductase which serves to donate the extra hydrogen atom carried by DHT. To release this atom, 5a-reductase requires the presence of the co-enzyme NADP.

To clarify this point, it may be helpful to review the role of enzymes in human metabolism. Enzymes are protein molecules of high molar mass which serve to catalyze reactions, making it possible for changes to occur faster and/or with reduced levels of energy. Most enzymes contain a non-protein element called a co-enzyme that must be present if the enzyme is to fulfill its function. In some cases, the co-enzyme is a metal cation such as Zn2 , Cu2 or Co2 . In others, it is an organic molecule, most often a vitamin (such as the B vitamin niacin). DHT is a ligand. Ligands are molecules which are bonded to the central metal in a complex ion (ligands can also be defined as any molecule with an unshared pair of electrons). DHT requires an extra hydrogen atom to convert from testosterone. If this extra hydrogen atom is not available, the conversion cannot occur. Testosterone uses 5a reductase as its substrate. This substrate is one of the family of dehydrogenases, a class of enzymes which serve to remove two electrons and two hydrogen ions from the substrate. Dehydrogenases are very specific to their substrate. The electron acceptor for some dehydrogenases is NADP.sup. , others Use NAP.sup. . If this acceptor is deactivated by the presence of coal tar, as is generally recognized (See U.S. Pat. No. 4,102,0995 to Peter Hebborn, Jul. 25, 1978, entitled Tar Gel Formulation, cited below), then the catalytic function of 5a-reductase is inhibited.

The patent excerpt above concerned itself with tar gel formulation and makes reference to the inhibition of the co-enzyme NADP found in coal far as the mechanism of action for the retardation of excessive skin cell reproduction occurring in psoriasis conditions. LCD, a liquid, diluted form of coal tar gel, is likely to have the same or similar inhibiting action on NADP within the cellular metabolism of the hair follicle cells and sebaceous glands. With the deactivation of NADP, 5a-reductase is disabled as the catalyst for T/DHT conversion. The diagram below details the metabolic pathway in human skin of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone.

The importance of the role of dehydrogenase activity within the sebaceous glands of scalp tissue exhibiting androgenic alopecia is documented by Marty E. Sawaya, et. al., in her published article, -- 5-3#946;-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenase Activity in Sebaceous Glands of Scalp in Male-Pattern Baldness (The Society for Investigative Dermatology, December 1987). Their work suggests that bald areas of the scalp have a greater propensity for converting testosterone into DHT through the heightened activity of another dehydrogenase, -- 5-3#946;-Hydroxysteroid.

By way of example, it is suggested here that as women enter menopause and naturally-produced estrogen levels decline, they experience hair loss due to the concurrent rise in DHT which is no longer being inhibited or neutralized at the same rate due to the lower amounts of circulating estrogens. It is believed that the application of the coal tar solution at the onset of menopause or androgenic alopecia would serve to perform a similar metabolic function as the estrogens, limiting DHT production and its effects on deleterious DNA protein expression.

The mechanism of action in the Topical Lotion for the Retardation of Alopecia (patent application Ser. No. 08/343,647) to which this is a CIP, is thus primarily based on the single ingredient coal tar and the claims for its singular discovery as a retardant to androgenic alopecia should be reconsidered in light of its inhibition of the essential co-enzyme NADP in the catalytic role of the 5a-reductase substrate for T to DHT conversion.


Formula Composition

A preferred embodiment for the present invention is a composition with the following component percentages:

Component Parts of solution % Liquor carbonis detergens (coal tar) 8 4.4 Salicylic acid 2 1.1 Spirits of Camphor 30 16.7 Castor Oil (or similar oil) 2 1.1 Isopropyl alcohol 138 76.7 Perfume (Range) *Adjuvents total 180 100.0

The action and function of the ingredients for the treatment of alopecia by topical application to the scalp are as follows:
Liquor carbonis detergens (LCD) is a light-yellow, thin, oily liquid form of coal tar, also called pixabol, which is a by-product in the destructive distillation of coal. LCD is an amalgam constituted of benzene, toluene, naphthalene, anthracene, zyleen and other aromatic hydrocarbons; phenol, cresol, and other phenol bodies; ammonia, pyridine, and some other organic bases; and thiophenean.

Liquor Carbonis Detergens (an alcohol extract of crud
 

jacob

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-Conclusione secondo me?
Un altro principio attivo che usato nello shampoo dimostra di avere un suo perchè.
-Cosa farò io?
Cercherò tra quelli elencati uno shampoo che non sia molto aggressivo e lo alternerò a quelli che già uso, cioè nizoral (Ketoconazolo) e restivoil antiforfora (piroctone olamina).

Edit.
Come primo shampoo proverò questo qui, che sembra non essere molto aggressivo e si presenta nella concentrazione del 4,3%, contro il 2% del t-gel.
http://www.farmaplanet.it/paradetails.asp?CProdotto=A227903
E' il pentrax. Tra l'altro sembra abbia anche il piroctone olamina, cosa che non può che farmi piacere![:)]

Ciao!
 

kris

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grande ervin! tutto molto interessante!...provvedero a cambiare il titolo..


ciao!